Carlisle critical of FA's Terry ban
Clarke Carlisle says a four-match ban for John Terry, pictured, is not enough
John Terry's four-match ban for racially abusing Anton Ferdinand has undermined the Football Association's hard-line stance on tackling racism, according to players' chief Clarke Carlisle.
Terry has until October 18 to appeal against his suspension and £220,000 fine, but Professional Footballers Association chairman Carlisle believes even if the punishment stands it is not consistent with the eight-match ban handed to Liverpool forward Luis Suarez last year for racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra.
"I think what we felt as an industry was that the Luis Suarez eight-match ban really did send out a strong message to the members of the union and the public at large that racism isn't tolerated in the game," Carlisle told BBC Radio Five Live's Sportsweek programme. "To dilute that with this four-match ban, it has almost undermined the initial message that went out."
Carlisle called for a rehabilitation programme to be imposed on top of any suspension for a racism offence.
"If part of their integration is actively partaking in the anti-discrimination campaigns, in the seminars that go on, not only will they benefit from the information that's shown in these seminars, but also it shows that they do show some remorse for their actions and a willingness to contribute to the campaigns moving forward so that other people are aware of the message that's being sent out," Carlisle added.
"If (Terry) doesn't contest this decision and an appeal isn't forthcoming it would do John Terry's image a lot of good if he was seen to be contributing to these sort of campaigns and also it would further affirm the message that this is something that we stand for in football."
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IMO the FA should also be charging Ferdinand as it seems the charge was effectively that terry had used a racist sentence... one which he was just repeating after being accused by ferdinand of saying.. therefore ferdinand should be done in a bigger amount as he was the instigator and used the very same sentence that terry used while fronting terry about it in the first place!!!!
ste99 I appreciate we all make mistakes but lets face it even if he did forget the club shouldnt have let him go there does seem to be a deliberate decision not to be there. But this is hardly a good point I would draw more attention to the whole choc ice affair with Rio as it directly links into the racism issue.
It depends on what kind of test it was, there are several for drug testing
and just quickly the rio drug thing wasnt my point it was lewis
I think the points that should be raised are:
Terry was found not guilty by a court of law and the FA. He is facing ban and fine for insulting A Ferdinand. So by MSN and people on here consistantly saying he's guilty of racist remarks is wrong. It does bring up the arguement that A ferdinand should be facing the same punishment as he aslo abused Terry
ste99 sorry but I believe rio missed drugs test because he would have failed it. The FA tell club and player a month before that they will be tested. Another notice is give two weeks before and then the week itself. They made several attempts to contact rio who left directly after training( why the club let him leave, maybe they knew he would fail?) who was uncontactable. Although I cant see what this has to do with this story?
As for anton i can honestly say i havent really heard of him outside the terry case so will agree with you on that point
no probs duncan, i just believe we all make a mistakes, weve all missed appointments and had other things on our mind, we are human after all. yeah massive one to miss admittedly he did go back in the afternoon though, and from what ive heard it takes 3 days for drugs to come out of your system i think? pls correct me if im wrong lol! i was just answering a point u made about ferdinand.
lewis day bryan robson much better captain! becauserio missed a drugs test that doesnt make him a trouble causer! he served an 8mnth ban for something that couldnt be proven, however those testing positive have also been given bans much lower than his! u say anton has form for trouble! name some!
yeah lewis u also state hes not a racist! he just calls blacks hey!
carlisle has every right to speak out about the ban, as he maybe a union rep but hes also a union rep for different colours of skin! 4 match ban not based on jt but in general if someone is found guilty is pathetic! whats the point of a football against racism if u give out such low bans!
Ste99 I stand corrected so I apologise
But the point i was trying to make was that in these cases the FA cleared suarez and terry of racism they were charged with insulting comments/behaviour. Yet in these cases the FA accept that both players in both cases made insulting comments but only one person in each case faced charges. Surely as evra suarez terry and ferdinand should all have faced the same charge as all were guilty of saying things unacceptable on the field.
Again I draw your attention to Carlisle lack of responce to the Rio Ferdinand case. I accept you are a man utd fan i also accept that i seem to be attacking man utd players on this issue (Evra and Rio) but i am just using the more recent high profile cases and the one i believe show a hypocracy in the FA ability to conduct a fair investigation. So i hope you can see the point im making and not just think i am attack your teeam. As in all the cases the FA claimed that none of these cases were racist but insulting behavoiur so why arent all these players facing the same charge?
Robert you have made the same mistake that MSN, Carlisle and alot of poeple on here have made. The ban and fine that the FA have imposed was due to insulting language and not racist remarks. The problem is that because the original charge sighted racism thats what people have fixated on.
Carlisile needs to understand what the FA has actually said regarding Terry. It is also strange to me that while he (carlisle) is saying the FA should be tough on racism (which I agree with) and quotes the Suarez case, a case where the only evidence was evra's word which in a fair persons mind is on dodgy ground. He also remained quiet on Rio's choc ice case which only resulted in a fine. Another question raised by Carlisle's comments is why he does he stay quiet on the fact that Ferdinand andd Suarez both abused players but were let off scott free. Maybe Carlisle and the FA need to adopt aprogramme of charging all players who spout insulting comments